It suggests that murder suicide is really a subtype of suicide. That the decision to murder others first, comes as an after thought to the decision to kill self.
If you are working with a suicidal person and their family then you know that at least some members will be supportive of the suicide from their Free Child point of view.
The magical thinking about suicide is that it can result in a relief from one’s pain.
“I am not one who fears the end of life. I think when it comes it will be a relief. Can finally rest.”
Permissions can also be given in an implied way. A therapist who listens to a client and accepts a contract is covertly giving the permission to change
In essence homicide-suicide is seen as a subtype of suicide.
Indeed if a rescuer is doing this then they really cannot be seen as a rescuer and would need to be more correctly diagnosed as a persecutor.
2. If things get too bad I will kill myself and others.
Some fifteen years later he was executed by lethal injection. So he finally did complete the suicide attempt and he got the state to kill him.
These people put themselves in a position where it was highly likely they would end up killed either by their own hand or by someone else’s hand.
Games allow a person to further their life script. It is the way a person progresses along the path of the life script to its inevitable conclusion.
My personal view is there is a solid argument for the idea that a child cannot suicide. If one uses the term ‘child suicide’ that is quite misleading as the vast majority of people will assume it to have some similarity to the adult suicide which it most definitely has not.
For example the passive aggressive person often has unintegrated anger. They dislike their anger, so they reject it, but it keeps coming back in their communications with others in a passive form.
The example given implies that when the urge to kill self is experienced as a directive from another then closing the suicide escape hatch is indicated. When the suicidal urge is not experienced as such a directive then closing the escape hatch may be contra indicated.
My experience with those who are close to a suicidal person finds the feeling and thinking responses to be wide and varied. By no means are they all negative as one might logically expect.
However it is not uncommon for people to confuse the two. For instance if a mother see’s her daughter is cutting self it is understandable how she can then conclude that the daughter is suicidal. However this is not accurate.
Thus one can understand the logic behind her decision to make a significant suicide attempt. Her times of madness cause her great pain and cause pain for those around her. No one knows how long it will last this time and how many more times in the future it will happen again.
In the search for a more robust definition or understanding of suicide it seems imperative to acknowledge the role that homicide can play in certain instances of suicide. As well as acknowledging the role accidents can play in the expression of suicidal ambivalence
#4 can include ‘death by cop’, some of those on death row, associating with very violent people such as in organised crime, non compliance to medical advice with life threatening conditions, voluntarily entering a war zone.
People can use a car to act out their suicidal urges and drive at high speed into a solid object. This is then an expression of suicidal urges. However there are others who will drive such that their own and others lives are put at risk and some times people are killed. This is different as it is an expression of homicidal – suicidal urges.
Even in death, suicide and murder there is still a childlike innocence, because they are still childlike thinkers to some degree.
The Don’t exist injunction is different in that it is a belief a child takes on in childhood. The child basically comes to the conclusion that its own death is a viable solution to a problem.
Is there any difference in the self destructive motivations of these two men?
This is what we need to be screening for and indeed this is what I did when I worked in prison identifying suicidal and self harming inmates. If one identifies people with this injunction, as I did with many in the prison system, one knows this person is quite capable of suicide at a later time.